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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.wordsarenotenough.com/2008/05/26/the-fall-of-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I missed the article you linked, my fault.

Is it journalisms responsibility to try to be unbiased?  Or is it the american publics responsibility to undertand the bias and make an educated decision for themselves?  I would guess from your post that you believe that the responsibility should be on both.  Maybe I&#039;ve just given up on trying to find an unbiased opinion, but in my opinion the bigger responsibility falls on the public.  After all, if there wasn&#039;t a significant amount of people willing to watch the trash in that video clip then they wouldn&#039;t broadcast it.  Which then poses another interesting conundrum:  Are we just as bad as those who support those views for discussing it and adding to the hit count of the video?  After all Fox news is really after ratings here, do they really care how they get them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I missed the article you linked, my fault.</p>
<p>Is it journalisms responsibility to try to be unbiased?  Or is it the american publics responsibility to undertand the bias and make an educated decision for themselves?  I would guess from your post that you believe that the responsibility should be on both.  Maybe I&#8217;ve just given up on trying to find an unbiased opinion, but in my opinion the bigger responsibility falls on the public.  After all, if there wasn&#8217;t a significant amount of people willing to watch the trash in that video clip then they wouldn&#8217;t broadcast it.  Which then poses another interesting conundrum:  Are we just as bad as those who support those views for discussing it and adding to the hit count of the video?  After all Fox news is really after ratings here, do they really care how they get them?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.wordsarenotenough.com/2008/05/26/the-fall-of-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MO, by linking to the Wikipedia article on the role of the media in causing the Spanish-American War, I think I made it clear I don&#039;t think journalism has been unbiased.  Likewise, by saying &quot;I know it’s not possible to report news completely unbiased, but it seems like nobody’s even trying.&quot; I was attempting to make the exact point that you say I&#039;m being naive about.  I know we can&#039;t have it, but isn&#039;t it a part of ethical journalism to at least try?  I think the folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poynter.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Poynter&lt;/a&gt; would agree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MO, by linking to the Wikipedia article on the role of the media in causing the Spanish-American War, I think I made it clear I don&#8217;t think journalism has been unbiased.  Likewise, by saying &#8220;I know it’s not possible to report news completely unbiased, but it seems like nobody’s even trying.&#8221; I was attempting to make the exact point that you say I&#8217;m being naive about.  I know we can&#8217;t have it, but isn&#8217;t it a part of ethical journalism to at least try?  I think the folks at <a href="http://www.poynter.org/" rel="nofollow">Poynter</a> would agree with me.</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.wordsarenotenough.com/2008/05/26/the-fall-of-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I agree that this blurb is awful.  Fox news should never invite her back on.  However, i think you might be being a bit niave if you think that journalism has ever been unbiased, or even close to it.  You don&#039;t have to look much further than the founding of our country and the papers that circulated to see some very biased reporting.  That&#039;s the beautiful thing about our system and the freedom of the press works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I agree that this blurb is awful.  Fox news should never invite her back on.  However, i think you might be being a bit niave if you think that journalism has ever been unbiased, or even close to it.  You don&#8217;t have to look much further than the founding of our country and the papers that circulated to see some very biased reporting.  That&#8217;s the beautiful thing about our system and the freedom of the press works.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.wordsarenotenough.com/2008/05/26/the-fall-of-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To avoid further confusion, here&#039;s a transcript of what Liz Trotta said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;and now we have what ... uh... some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama ...uh..um... Obama ...well both if we could [laughing]&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hopefully that will eliminate any comments asking why I object to Trotta&#039;s statement... by any rational human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To avoid further confusion, here&#8217;s a transcript of what Liz Trotta said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;and now we have what &#8230; uh&#8230; some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama &#8230;uh..um&#8230; Obama &#8230;well both if we could [laughing]&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Hopefully that will eliminate any comments asking why I object to Trotta&#8217;s statement&#8230; by any rational human being.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies, I just realized what she said under her breath (I couldn&#039;t make it out before.)

I agree, it was an awful thing to joke about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies, I just realized what she said under her breath (I couldn&#8217;t make it out before.)</p>
<p>I agree, it was an awful thing to joke about.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

From the video, there is no joking about assassinating anyone, (maybe you saw more of this on FOX than is in the youtube clip?)  Seems she is referring to the comments made by Hillary Clinton, but all she did was mention that it was &#039;suggested&#039; (which I disagree with.)

Those comments made by Hillary were clearly NOT suggesting anyone assassinate Obama, they were verbatim what she had already said awhile ago, raising no controversy.

The clear fact is, one of Obama&#039;s strongest campaign tactics is to play the &#039;victim&#039;.  If anyone says anything remotely critical of him, he cries dirty politics.  That is what has happened here, Clinton made a point about Democratic primaries traditionally going well into June, citing some examples - then some Obama people jumped on it and twisted her words into something they were not.  Add that to the fact that almost all the major media outlets are IN LOVE with Obama, and presto, you have a &#039;controversy&#039;.

To accuse FOX of advocating assassination doesn&#039;t seem warranted here unless you have a better clip that shows this, the clip you currently have does not contain this.

Howie, whoah!  Back off with the judgements and condemnation!  I was just making observations based on the 14 second clip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>From the video, there is no joking about assassinating anyone, (maybe you saw more of this on FOX than is in the youtube clip?)  Seems she is referring to the comments made by Hillary Clinton, but all she did was mention that it was &#8216;suggested&#8217; (which I disagree with.)</p>
<p>Those comments made by Hillary were clearly NOT suggesting anyone assassinate Obama, they were verbatim what she had already said awhile ago, raising no controversy.</p>
<p>The clear fact is, one of Obama&#8217;s strongest campaign tactics is to play the &#8216;victim&#8217;.  If anyone says anything remotely critical of him, he cries dirty politics.  That is what has happened here, Clinton made a point about Democratic primaries traditionally going well into June, citing some examples &#8211; then some Obama people jumped on it and twisted her words into something they were not.  Add that to the fact that almost all the major media outlets are IN LOVE with Obama, and presto, you have a &#8216;controversy&#8217;.</p>
<p>To accuse FOX of advocating assassination doesn&#8217;t seem warranted here unless you have a better clip that shows this, the clip you currently have does not contain this.</p>
<p>Howie, whoah!  Back off with the judgements and condemnation!  I was just making observations based on the 14 second clip!</p>
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		<title>By: Howie Luvzus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howie Luvzus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve can&#039;t see it because he seems, like many conservatives, to be unable to accept that sometimes persons in his political camp are jerks. I see it all the time with Southern Baptists who can&#039;t critique their leaders when they are clearly wrong.

I think the media is responsible for the dumbing down of America. They show us brief sound bites and tell us what to think about them. Talk show hosts like Kevin James are a great example...see http://howieluvzus.com/?p=548. He isn&#039;t mentally prepared to make an argument, just state a talking point.

Also, admitting that your side is wrong about something might lead to that &quot;slippery slope.&quot; So morons on the right and left can&#039;t see that Bill O&#039; has NO moral grounds for defending Christmas and that Hillary is a lying sleezeball that  would destroy the Democratic Party if elected.

That&#039;s why I appreciate you Joe. Seems you can sometimes cut through the crap and aren&#039;t so tied to an agenda that you have to put blinders on to defend your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve can&#8217;t see it because he seems, like many conservatives, to be unable to accept that sometimes persons in his political camp are jerks. I see it all the time with Southern Baptists who can&#8217;t critique their leaders when they are clearly wrong.</p>
<p>I think the media is responsible for the dumbing down of America. They show us brief sound bites and tell us what to think about them. Talk show hosts like Kevin James are a great example&#8230;see <a href="http://howieluvzus.com/?p=548" rel="nofollow">http://howieluvzus.com/?p=548</a>. He isn&#8217;t mentally prepared to make an argument, just state a talking point.</p>
<p>Also, admitting that your side is wrong about something might lead to that &#8220;slippery slope.&#8221; So morons on the right and left can&#8217;t see that Bill O&#8217; has NO moral grounds for defending Christmas and that Hillary is a lying sleezeball that  would destroy the Democratic Party if elected.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I appreciate you Joe. Seems you can sometimes cut through the crap and aren&#8217;t so tied to an agenda that you have to put blinders on to defend your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, when a &quot;journalist&quot; jokingly advocates the assassination of a presidential candidate, it&#039;s deplorable.  That&#039;s your context.  I&#039;m happy to condemn Clinton for her insane comments regarding the assassination of RFK, and I was happy to condemn Pat Robertson&#039;s lunatic comments regarding the assassination of Chavez.

First, Liz makes the &quot;slip up&quot; of referring to Obama as Osama.  Come on, by now any real journalist can manage to make the distinction.  But let&#039;s assume she didn&#039;t mean to screw that up.  I&#039;m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.  The context is assassination, and she JOKES that they should both be assassinated.

How are you not seeing this, Steve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, when a &#8220;journalist&#8221; jokingly advocates the assassination of a presidential candidate, it&#8217;s deplorable.  That&#8217;s your context.  I&#8217;m happy to condemn Clinton for her insane comments regarding the assassination of RFK, and I was happy to condemn Pat Robertson&#8217;s lunatic comments regarding the assassination of Chavez.</p>
<p>First, Liz makes the &#8220;slip up&#8221; of referring to Obama as Osama.  Come on, by now any real journalist can manage to make the distinction.  But let&#8217;s assume she didn&#8217;t mean to screw that up.  I&#8217;m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.  The context is assassination, and she JOKES that they should both be assassinated.</p>
<p>How are you not seeing this, Steve?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this video &quot;just sick&quot;?  Sounded like she was struggling for her words and said &#039;Osama&#039; when she wanted to say &#039;Obama&#039;.

Unless there is more context that is not given, there is nothing outrageous here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this video &#8220;just sick&#8221;?  Sounded like she was struggling for her words and said &#8216;Osama&#8217; when she wanted to say &#8216;Obama&#8217;.</p>
<p>Unless there is more context that is not given, there is nothing outrageous here.</p>
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